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Vista gets tough

Postby KRSNDO on 05 Oct 2005 01:15 pm

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26703

...a system wide content protection scheme in Microsoft Vista will mean many screens will display a "monitor revoked" message.


Blu-ray and Toshiba HD DVDs need Windows Vista, while Windows XP won't support HDCP, Intel's "high bandwidth digital content protection". So there's no point sticking with your old OS.


So will we all be forced to upgrade? Maybe it'll then be time to switch to Linux or Apple...

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Postby wok on 05 Oct 2005 01:44 pm

What flavors of linux will support Blu-ray & HDDVD?
What versions of Apple OS will support them?
Why will you be forced to switch?
Do you really watch DVD's on your computer?

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Postby slacker on 05 Oct 2005 02:24 pm

wok wrote:What flavors of linux will support Blu-ray & HDDVD?
What versions of Apple OS will support them?
Why will you be forced to switch?
Do you really watch DVD's on your computer?


i don't own a tv, so yes

i mean i'd upgrade anyway, but this is still lame.

i'm still awiting for google to announce an OS.

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Postby wok on 05 Oct 2005 03:50 pm

I just think it's funny that Chester believes HD DVD support to be such an integral part of the OS. At any rate, someone find a workaround for XP so the point is moot.

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Re: Vista gets tough

Postby xeper on 05 Oct 2005 04:04 pm

KRSNDO wrote:http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26703

...a system wide content protection scheme in Microsoft Vista will mean many screens will display a "monitor revoked" message.


Blu-ray and Toshiba HD DVDs need Windows Vista, while Windows XP won't support HDCP, Intel's "high bandwidth digital content protection". So there's no point sticking with your old OS.


So will we all be forced to upgrade? Maybe it'll then be time to switch to Linux or Apple...
the "monitor revoked" is for hardware found with an invalid software key [pirate windows] and the media integration [HD-DVD and BR] will play on unsupported monitors, they'll just be in a lower resolution.

wok wrote:What flavors of linux will support Blu-ray & HDDVD?
What versions of Apple OS will support them?
Why will you be forced to switch?
Do you really watch DVD's on your computer?
Linux will not support any HD disc format for a while due to the fact that the HW manufacturers are requiring hardware and software DRM, MacOSX x86 will [not any previous Apple computer, due to the fact that they won't have hardware DRM]

trust me, there WILL be some way around all this doomsday DRM bullshit and there's no way they'll make everyone upgrade their monitors JUST to run the OS, it's a terrible business move and MS didn't get where it is today by shutting out their entire customer base.

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Postby miasma on 06 Oct 2005 05:49 am

DRM is a Trojan Horse virus.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=1952
What you need to know is that DRM can be, and has proven to be, a Trojan horse. In a back and forth thread of e-mails, the Electronic Frontier Foundation's John Gilmore described to me how DRM technology basically allows those who sit at the controls of it to arbitrarily change the rules. For example, one day, with Apple's iTunes, we were able to burn the same playlist as many as ten times. A day later, it was seven. Unlike before, when we could take our vinyl records and CDs and do pretty much anything we wanted with them (to facilitate our personal use) or even sell them (or will them to family members), the "R" in DRM is much less about what we have the right to do and more about the Restrictions that can be arbitrarily and remotely asserted over something we paid good money for. So far, the best suggestion I've heard to dodge the CRM bullet is seek used CDs. It may not be a la carte song buying. But it's not a premium price for a bunch of music you may not want anyway.

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Postby KRSNDO on 07 Oct 2005 01:20 pm

wok wrote:I just think it's funny that Chester believes HD DVD support to be such an integral part of the OS.


I don't. The quote said about HDCP and that without it, there was no point sticking with XP. I do not know exactly what HDCP is, but the definition given - "high bandwidth digital content protection" - could relate to anything, such as programs or MP3 files. The point I took from that was that older OSs would be left out. Kind of like an Internet 2.0 that only Vista could use.

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Postby slacker on 07 Oct 2005 01:22 pm

KRSNDO wrote:Kind of like an Internet 2.0 that only Vista could use.


scary thing is i bet microsoft not only could, but would, do that.

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Postby ken on 07 Oct 2005 11:02 pm

I scoff at your claim that your windows environment can even begin to compare to mine. I have thousands upon thousands of fonts, and my wallpaper is a massive 2GB at a whopping 14,000 dpi in glorious 128-bit color. My onscreen text is antialiased with the latest ClearType technology, and remains brilliantly legible even behind 10, nay, 20 transparent window panes. Clicking my Start button triggers a fanfare and a choir of haunting angelic voices as you stagger back in awe of my stunning 45,000 item Start Menu.

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Postby SpoiledMilk on 08 Oct 2005 12:36 am

KRSNDO wrote:Kind of like an Internet 2.0 that only Vista could use.


google are already making internet 2.0

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Postby xeper on 08 Oct 2005 12:48 pm

ken wrote:I scoff at your claim that your windows environment can even begin to compare to mine. I have thousands upon thousands of fonts, and my wallpaper is a massive 2GB at a whopping 14,000 dpi in glorious 128-bit color. My onscreen text is antialiased with the latest ClearType technology, and remains brilliantly legible even behind 10, nay, 20 transparent window panes. Clicking my Start button triggers a fanfare and a choir of haunting angelic voices as you stagger back in awe of my stunning 45,000 item Start Menu.
but what does it do to make my anime rape porn more enjoyable?

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Postby Jacob on 09 Oct 2005 02:34 pm

ken wrote:45,000 item Start Menu.


what the hell do you have on there?

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Postby Jacob on 09 Oct 2005 04:28 pm

okay, okay... i guess i should have seen that coming.

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Postby KRSNDO on 10 Oct 2005 12:39 pm

SpoiledMilk wrote:
KRSNDO wrote:Kind of like an Internet 2.0 that only Vista could use.


google are already making internet 2.0


Google global wi-fi/satellite based Internet?

Just when you thought Google couldn’t get any more jaw-dropping
with its latest explorations, you realize with a sudden and
exasperated “omigod” that this is bigger…much bigger than we
imagined. Google, NASA, and MIT are going to change the
world…again.

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Postby slacker on 10 Oct 2005 12:44 pm

googolezon people, googlezon.

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Postby miasma on 11 Oct 2005 04:50 am

I for one welcome our new Googlean Overlords...

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Postby KRSNDO on 12 Oct 2005 11:57 am

If only Adwords hadn't shown them to be evil too.


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